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Email Discussion Board Continuation
Last week we had a discussion that was getting very deep, involved, and stirred up some emotions.  We can continue or discussion here, safely.  So that you may recall, here is the discussion in chronological sequence (I believe I captured the whole discussion thread thru some 60 emails)...
 

10/30/2008

12:54 PM

The concept of an Employee Organization that is totally inclusive to veterans, non-veterans, and retirees that will promote the interest of those who are or were part of our military services is like a breath of fresh air.

The IRS is moving toward something very special with this.  Some public service organizations do this, like Perot Systems - famous for hiring and promoting veterans.  We should applaud from shore to shore and in all 700 plus IRS facilities the CDP class who birthed this idea and now our organization.

We should also applaud our Commissioner and the Workforce for Tomorrow team for supporting us, as well as our peer Employee Organizations.

Finally before we applaud the Phillies or anyone else, we need to thank all those involved in our start up (the admin, the web, the by-laws and much more).

When you see your name on the TO line (and I apoligize if I did not get all our members) be proud of what you are doing, done, and will do in the future.

More so, be proud that you are part of a growing group devoted to excellent and patriotic cause.
 
 
Kevin M. Holian , Senior Operations Advisor
MITS  ACIO Cybersecurity - IT Disaster Recovery
Internal Revenue Service OS:CIO:C:ITDRO
212-719-8500 (work); 212-719-6580 (fax)
212-920-4730 (cell)

10/30/2008

2:25 PM

Dear IRS Friends:

 

I have thought long & hard about saying this, but I can't express my pride the infinite amount of pride I feel in myself & with my comrades who have served in our nation's armed forces. 

 

Am I the only one who has had to deal with fellow employees who try to tell me that I was foolish to have served or would continue to serve my country in the military?  

 

Am I the only one who has had unsolicited e-mails, articles, or had fellow employees disagree when our country has called upon the military, & makes sure that I have to hear their negative opinion?

 

Am I the only person who has been treated with disrespect by fellow employees who would never dare talk in a negative manner or do any such action to a non-military employee for fear of adverse action, but see a member of the Armed Forces, as an instrument of what they believe is wrong?

 

Am I the only person who has had to listen to fellow employees whose views go beyond the right to disagree, but makes me wonder if they are really loyal Americans?

 

I just ignore them friends & explain that they are free to disagree, but I encourage them (politely) to take their "stuff" away from me.  Plus, I have had to recommend to some that they have managerial supervision, as they are not yet to be left alone as responsible adults.

 

I look forward to meeting with each & every one of you, as we have two common bonds: military service & IRS employee!  I am proud of both!

 

your friend,

 

LK 

 

Lawrence M. Kagan

Revenue Officer

8125 River Drive

Suite 103

Morton Grove, IL 60053

 

(847) 581-2115 phone

 

(847) 581-1102 fax

 

10/30/2008

2:32PM

As long as there has been a military force, someone has always had something to say to the contrary.  To those people who say it to my face, I smile and quite firmly tell them that I wouldn't have traded my 20 years in the military for anything, and then simply ask how long they spent in the military that made them an expert or authority on what they should or should not be doing...

 

That usually brings their rants and raves to a screeching halt. 

 

Don't let the naysayer's get you down--ever.

 

Allen L. Lichtenwalner, RO, MBA

Nathaniel R. Jones Federal Building

10 East Commerce Street, Room 110

Youngstown, OH 44503

 

10/30/2008

2:33 PM

No you're not.  Some of us are Viet Nam vets.

 

Edward F Kelly, PMP

Project Manager

W&I BSP, CARE/ETA

Office: 404-338-7178  FAX: 404-338-8560

Cell Phone: 404-702-4806

 

10/30/2008

3:39 PM

I have had that sort of feed back even from my own family.  Sad but true, you are not alone at all.

 

Darleen Christianson 41-04429

Individual Taxpayer Advisory Specialist

21 SW 2nd St Room 304

Rochester MN 55902

P) 507-288-3127 ext: 245 or 225

F) 507-281-5018

 

10/30/2008

3:44 PM

I've had the same sort of feedback from my family, sir. I look at it like this only some one that has actually put on a uniform will know the pride that you feel. So I just take what they say and smile and know the pride that I feel inside. Like they say: all gave some and some gave all.

 

Semper Fi.

 

 

Matthieu Linen

Internal Revenue Service

SE/SB Division

Collections

 

10/30/2008

3:45 PM

My biggest pain is the comment "I bet your glad your not over there now."  In which I baffle them by saying I wish I was over there to finish the job I started.  Who better then the ones that started it.  It pains me everytime I read about someone being killed over there and the fact that my son and my fellow Brothers of War sons are there or have been there.

 

Timothy Wightman

10/30/2008

3:47 PM

Lawrence & Edward, (And anyone else who has had to deal with this type of ignorance)

 

          I’m sorry you had to deal with what you did.  You’re absolutely correct that there is no excuse for it.  I’d just like to relate my story to you, perhaps to give you hope that things can and will improve.

 

          I was offered an RO position by the IRS due to begin 10/18/2005.  On 10/05/2005 my National Guard Unit (1 / 133rd INF out of IA and MN) was activated for OIF and went on to serve almost 2 years, 16 months of which were spent in Iraq in Anbar Province.

 

          I returned in July of 2007 and was immediately fit into a class beginning 1 October 2007, barely enough time for me to return to NY and get settled in.  Initially I had thought it was merely good luck.  However, I came to find out that National Authority had strongly suggested that my position be filled ASAP and I be fit into a training schedule when (or IF) one was available upon my return.

 

It was only because my: Group Manager Paul Stahl, Territory Training Coordinator Vincent Caputo, and Area Director (who had already moved on by the time I returned and so don’t know her name) closed ranks and held my position open for almost two years waiting for my return that I was employed with IRS within 90 days of my return from Iraq.  I am still a drilling member of the National Guard, (Now in NY) and still have the full support of my GM and all of the staff in my office, which includes; Exam, CI and TAS.

 

I pray that I’m not the only person in this group that has had this kind of support.

 

Respectfully,

 

Jonathan Winaker
Internal Revenue Service
Collections SB / SE Group 43
Revenue Officer ID # 13-27296
Office: (914) 684 - 7123
FAX: (914) 684 - 7227

10/30/2008

3:55 PM

It certainly has been gratifying to read all the responses to Lawrence, who let his feelings be known.  Having served 14 months with the Army in Vietnam (68-'69) I found out very quickly when I came home how the "real world" felt about Vietnam Vets.  I arrived at Oakland Air Force Base late at night, and the mess hall was closed.  We were not given an opportunity to shower after we discarded our jungle fatigues and issued dress greens.  I had believed that we would be treated with at least a little respect by the Air Force, when in fact all they wanted was to get us off the post as quickly as possible.  But the worst insult of all was after taking a taxi across the bridge to San Francisco being called a baby killer and pothead within 5 minutes of entering the airport.

I promised myself that I would not allow the next generation of veterans to be treated the way we were and have found out over the years that it is a never ending battle. 

 

God Bless all of you,

 

Tom

 

Thomas E. Murphy

IRS-Criminal Investigation

401 N. Front St., Suite 375

Columbus, OH 43215

Phone: (614) 744-3137

Fax: (614) 744-3141

10/30/2008

3:56 PM

i am a combat wounded vietnam vet who served with the 199th lt inf. when i got home in 1968, i found that i had lost the friendship of almost all of the people i had grown up with. no one would hire me and i couldn't get a job. i have even faced discrimination from i.r.s. employees because of my views and service. for many of us the greatest sacrifices have been made not in combat zones but here at home.

                                          

al schwartz

 

10/30/2008

4:06 PM

TO All,

 

I thank everyone for the emails you have sent to our forum concerning your situation and comments. This is one of the reasons we are forming the MOS. 

 

Please be aware that there are specific laws that protect the employment and reemployment rights of Guard and Reserve members (Reserve Component Members)-activated and inactive status. The federal Government is subject to these laws.  Perhaps the MOS organization should include in its goals that information about these laws will be communicated through us to the employees of the IRS?

 

Respectfully,

 

Nelson L. Mellitz

Colonel, USAF, ret

IRS NE Area Chief Procurement Officer

212-436-1842

An Iraqi Veteran 

10/30/2008

4:55 PM

It certainly has been gratifying to read all the responses to Lawrence, who let his feelings be known.  Having served 14 months with the Army in Vietnam (68-'69) I found out very quickly when I came home how the "real world" felt about Vietnam Vets.  I arrived at Oakland Air Force Base late at night, and the mess hall was closed.  We were not given an opportunity to shower after we discarded our jungle fatigues and issued dress greens.  I had believed that we would be treated with at least a little respect by the Air Force, when in fact all they wanted was to get us off the post as quickly as possible.  But the worst insult of all was after taking a taxi across the bridge to San Francisco being called a baby killer and pothead within 5 minutes of entering the airport.

I promised myself that I would not allow the next generation of veterans to be treated the way we were and have found out over the years that it is a never ending battle. 

 

God Bless all of you,

 

Tom

 

Thomas E. Murphy

IRS-Criminal Investigation

401 N. Front St., Suite 375

Columbus, OH 43215

Phone: (614) 744-3137

Fax: (614) 744-3141

10/30/2008

5:00 PM

It truly is a never ending battle, but a battle that we can not give up on.   As we unite and see that there is support for all of us and people that we can relate to and discuss issues with, we become stronger as individuals and as a whole.   Keep your heads held high as we served in the greatest armed forces of the world, The United States Armed Forces.

 

Darleen Christianson 41-04429

Individual Taxpayer Advisory Specialist

21 SW 2nd St Room 304

Rochester MN 55902

P) 507-288-3127 ext: 245 or 225

F) 507-281-5018

10/30/2008

5:27 PM

Hi all

 

   I have been reading these emails and my heart has been breaking.  I have never serviced in the Armed Forces, but my husband was a Marine for 12 years and served 2 tours of duty in Vietnam. The second time he was there he was a POW.  He found it very hard to speak of this but when he did he cried, even as far as 2002 when he passed away.  The things he told me, I could not even imagine and the torture he went though was unbelievable.  But he told me the worst thing of all is when he came home on a boat into California and the people throw tomatoes and oranges and numerous things at our G.I's and of course he was called a baby and women killer by his own brother. My husband was a proud man and was proud to serve our Country. I praise all of you who were in the service--May God bless everyone of you and I hope everything is going well for you especially the Vietnam Vets. I was still in High School when this war was going on.  I believe the MOS program will be a great asset for the Treasury Dept. We do need to remember our VETS.   Thank You All who served to make this country free and safe!!!!!!!!!!

 

Bernadette Sherer

OP 2 Team 404

X2003

10/30/2008

5:47 PM

To all military veterans and the people that support them,

 

I want to thank each and everyone one of you for your bravery in answering the call and proudly standing up to serve this great nation.

 

I do want to remind you that you not only fight the wars that you are asked to fight, but that you are the backbone of this country and that you also are fighting for any U.S. citizen’s right to dissent!

 

There are many countries out there where people are imprisoned or killed for speaking out, just ask Nelson Mandela!

 

I take great pride when that the person doesn’t agree with my military service! I feel that by my answering the call of freedom and serving in the military I have provided something of value to that person, even if it means he disapproves of my military service.

 

Remember if you didn’t stand up for freedom, who would?

 

Take pride in your service and that fact the some people cannot realize the price some people are willing to pay freedom for that person to be able to show there dissatisfaction or lack of knowledge.

 

Toujour Prêt,

 

Brand Neilson

10/30/2008

7:24 PM

Lawrence you are not alone in you're feelings or challenges you face.  That is why I did not think twice about joining IRS-MOS.  I am currently in the NY Air Guard serving with the 106th Rescue Wing (Perfect Storm book and movie).  I have seen both sides of the treatment of military 1st hand.  When 9/11 occurred I was activated before a tower fell and stayed on duty for three months.  On that duty I was charged LWOP, since my orders where not cut immediately.   And then again when my Military days ran out and no one was sure if I could use my annual or sick.   The same situation happened to me four years later when I went to serve on Empire Shield, during that duty Hurricane Katrina hit and I was called back to my unit as we deployed search and rescue assets.  Thankfully I was able to resolve that issue faster due to my experience the 1st time.  But no one in the Operation knew how to handle it, did not know about the 22 emergency military days.


When the Hurricanes came this September and I was activated for 3 weeks I had no problems, and my Operation manager was very supportive.  So much so that I submitted her name to ESGR (Employer Support of the Guard and Reserve).  A great way to thank people for supporting our military and source of information, I am attaching the link below. 

Always remember "Freedom isn't Free"
 
http://www.esgr.org/default.asp
 
Patrick T. Kearney
Department Manager, Dept II
TEFRA and Exam Field Support Operation
631-654-6249
Stop 633
http://tefra.web.irs.gov <http://tefra.web.irs.gov/>    For TEFRA Information

10/31/2008

6:18 AM

I am a Vietnam veteran ( U.S. MARINES ) and served in country from 1967 into 1968 . I have also served the I.R.S. for 29 years. I couldn't begin to thank all the people involved in putting the IRS MOS Organization together for our veterans but here is a big fat thanks....Our support for the returning troops will be vital to there health and well being. Many many thanks to all who will welcome and assist our troops....

Stephen R. Milburn
IT Specialist , ZQSCB
EXCISE
OS:CIO:EO:EC:OB:AS:A1
859-669-5290

10/31/2008

7:58 AM

Thank you Bernadette!  The reason military folks are so successful and we can go through the things we do, is because we have spouses and families willing to support us.  Like you, they also serve and deserve the full support of this organization and America's admiration.

 

Edward F Kelly, PMP

Project Manager

W&I BSP, CARE/ETA

Office: 404-338-7178  FAX: 404-338-8560

Cell Phone: 404-702-4806

10/31/2008

8:06 AM

Sir I am deeply sorry for the way you were treated. I was called a "baby killer" when I returned from Iraq so I know how it feels to be deeply disrespected by the same people that you swore to protect and defend. May you get peace and the respect and honor that you, and all of us deserve.

  

Matthieu Linen

Internal Revenue Service

SE/SB Division

Collections

10/31/2008

8:07 AM

Being off line for 24 hrs and boy, howdy, look at the responses, are we passionate or what!

 

As a fairly new member to I.R.S., I've had nothing but appreciation from my peers and Management of my time in service (23 yrs in Army), don't get me wrong we do have very animated  discussions, but, we all are aware that we have and are entitled to our opinions.

 

With this being an election year, our discussions have been more frequent than it has in the past.

 

I am so glad for this organization and look forward to doing what I can, to help where I can.

 

Michele K. Beck -

US Dept of Treasury

Internal Revenue Service

SB/SE Compliance

Revenue Officer

Phone (269) 323-4926;

Cell (269) 270-4520;

Fax (269) 323-4920

 

10/31/2008

8:26 AM

I never served in active duty but am an AF brat who finished high school at Clark AFB, Republic of Philippines from 1967-1968.  I was a 16-17 year-old candy striper at the huge hospital there. As you Viet Nam vets know, Clark AFB and Japan were the two places to which all the critical wounded were transported.  A sober memory is taking cookie and magazine carts into an entire room of amputees.   In the cocoon of overseas deployment, we high school kids never had any doubts about the rightness of the US mission in Viet Nam.  Our dads' lives were at stake (my dad later served his 13 months at Tan Son Nhut AFB as a Phantom F-4 crewchief) .  I gave my first blood donation in January 1968 during the Tet Offensive.  The need for blood was so critical they lowered the weight and age restriction to include high school kids.

My late husband was army.  My oldest son is a Green Beret medic since 1998 with 3 tours in Afghanistan (awarded Bronze star) on those special A teams.   He is outfitting and training the new 4th SF battalion to go back to Afghanistan in early 2009.  Their missions are always "high value targets" --the words speak for themselves. 

I say all this to say that there are those of us who have not experienced the abuse our Viet Nam vets experienced but we were always aware and ashamed of it.  Our commitment to serving the military who serve all of us has never wavered, and we value and are thankful for this opportunity to give back to them.  Reading these emails has been an emotional but heartening experience to see how many of us feel the same.  Remember, they also serve who serve and wait.  God bless the USA!

 

Sharon L. Davis
Tax Analyst
ITIN Program Office
Internal Revenue Service
SE:W:CAS:SP:SPB:I
404-338-8905 (phone)
404-338-8793 (FAX)

10/31/2008

8:31 AM

Sharon - you are truly a heroic American family.  I was a Vietnamese (North) linguist with Army Security Agency.  Thanks for all the great things you have done for vets, as well as those you loved and brought into this world.  We serve our country for many different reasons and should be always proud of that.  The military serves America in my view, as opposed to the Commander in Chief and politicians.  Thanks so much for all your family has given and still gives.  

 

Kevin M. Holian - Senior Operations Advisor, ITDRO
MITS ACIO Cybersecurity
IRS OS:CIO:C:ITDRO
110 West 44th Street, NY, NY 10036
(w) 212-719-8500 ( cell) 212-920-4730 (fax) 212-719-6580
kevin.m.holian@irs.gov

 

10/31/2008

8:41 AM

Matthieu,

 

Thank you for your kind words and your service.  It was you and the other armed forces members who served in Iraq and Afghanistan that helped us Vietnam Vets regain our honor.  I assure you, we will never forget you and all your comrades for the sacrifices you made. 

 

WELCOME HOME!

 

Tom

 

T.M.

10/31/2008

9:29 AM

As a veteran of the Viet Nam war, until recently I have not had anyone bring up my service in a positive light, except for my time at the Andover Service Center.  During one Veteran's Day celebration, the media folks at the center did a piece which ran all day in the cafeteria about each and every veteran at the center.  I have always personally been proud of my service in the Marine Corps during the Viet Nam war and it is in my bio that I use for all my speeches.  But the memories of how I was received after coming back home are never far from the service.  I made a promise to myself that I would never treat our current members the way I and many of my comrades were treated  back then.  You can't make people feel something that is not there, but you can individually show your appreciation to each and every service member you see during your travels.  I thank service members for their service,  I welcome them home when I see them walking through airports, I wish them good luck and God speed when they are leaving on their deployment, I have even picked up a check at a restaurant anonymously when I've seen a young enlisted person, sitting there by themselves contemplating what the future holds.  Collectively we can make a difference one person at a time.  I am proud to be a part of this new and positive influence in the IRS.  I never knew how many of us there were and I felt like the smallest minority group in the IRS.  As I see the names added to this list I think that maybe we aren't as small a group as I thought.

 

Tom Burger,

National President, PMA

USMC 1967-1969

 

10/31/2008

2:06 PM

Folks,

 

I have taken the time to read the stories and comments, they are challenging to read in some cases because of the treatment of our veterans.  I served with the Air Force from 1972-1992, I did not make it to Viet Nam, I did make it to Travis AFB on the way to Viet Nam and my assignment was cancelled.  While at Travis, I did see activities that just made me sick.  Our Fathers and Grandfathers fought in WWII or in Korea, they too were baby killers and women and children killers......that is what, regrettably, war is about.  The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are no different, people are dying that should not.....it gets mentioned sometimes, but not focused on............People die in Wars, not just the soldiers, marines, airmen, coasties, and sailors.  Viet Nam was the first truly televised war, it was at our breakfast, lunch, and dinner tables.........and it was always the negative, or perceived negative stuff.  Who suffered? The troops and their families, that's who!  Not the reporters, not the naysayer's, not the draft dodgers.....which we don't have today.....we are all volunteers.  If we were able to have Wars where civilians and military folks did not die, or get wounded, then would it really be a war?  And would it be worth reporting on? Clearly, we still have troops with bad memories.  There are a lot of good ones too, and they are showing up in the mail that MOS folks are sending.

 

While I did not serve in Viet Nam, I did, through many TDYs serve in some very nasty places, doing things that if televised at home, would not have been received well....so that is my secret.  From 72-92, military troops were not allowed to use public transportation while in uniform.....considered too dangerous.....today they are.......and that is a good thing.  Often we were not allowed to wear our military uniforms outside the gates; because folks did not treat us very well.....today the uniform is a badge of honor.....and I swell with pride every time I see someone in uniform.

 

I am very pleased to be part of an organization that is starting to recognize and understand the value of the military veteran; I believe our experience and experiences will go a very long way in helping to shape the future of the IRS, and possibly other Federal agencies.  All of us gave a lot with our military service, and we have a lot more to give, I see that in the stories.

 

So, forge ahead troopers, take care of the families, take care of the troops, shape a new IRS, and be proud that you served and continue to serve.

 

KW. Nesbit

Director, e-File Systems

OS:CIO:AD:SP:E,  NCFB  B9-400

Office Phone:  (202) 283-6705

Cell Phone:    (202) 550-2700

Fax:  (202) 283-3717

Email:  SrKenneth.W.Nesbit@irs.gov